Thrasher
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Post by Thrasher on Jun 30, 2015 18:09:35 GMT
So, after consulting the almighty Skype chat, and receiving unanimous approval, I will propose this here.
Nanites capable of rebuilding a Cybertronian structure and systems to match those of the opposite gender. Effectively they would be gender bender nanites that would be used as a psychological weapon against Autobot and Decepticon forces by the Avacons. The effects of this would have no impact on stats unless you personally want them to.
Delivery of these nanites would be done by an Avacon agent deploying a canister in a room. This canister, marked with the insignia of the opposite faction as to draw attention away from the existence of Avacons, would releases gasses to put characters into stasis, then transform them into the opposite gender while they were asleep.
The effects could be undone by a reversal command sent wirelessly, however, this usually is without being put unconscious first. The transformation back to normal would be excruciating as every molecule in their being is shifted by nanites. Maybe reconsider?
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Post by Breech Loader on Jun 30, 2015 18:32:42 GMT
Breech wouldn't mind. She's dirty enough to just consider it as doubling her options.
Kick-Start might be a touch more panicky about it. She thinks most mechs are disgusting perverts, pathetic cowards or complete morons.
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Driskull
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Post by Driskull on Jun 30, 2015 19:11:51 GMT
This is gonna be fun
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 19:22:37 GMT
I have to sasy this is an interesting idea, but I don't think this forums are the right place to do so. Please, before to consider me a 'mind closed' I have to say I've done this before, but in my opinion, I prefer keep it in another sites like tumblr or DA
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Bladecut
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Post by Bladecut on Jun 30, 2015 21:04:19 GMT
As long as my character is not changed or affected and his gender is the same, you can do with your character whatever you want.
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Post by Cup 'o' Joe on Jul 1, 2015 2:56:51 GMT
I'm all for it as long as it's actually carried out. No offense to anyone, but all the plot boards seem to be advertised, then agreed on, but never actually done. I would be interested to rp this out--one reason is because I have Avacon Ocs myself, though I could have an Oc or two (or three XD) participate in this. But for Pete's sake, if this is going to be an event, let's do it. Just tell me when I put a canister where and I'll get to it. (since I have Avacon Ocs duh.)
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Post by Breech Loader on Jul 4, 2015 17:14:59 GMT
Due to the current direction that some of my relationships are taking, a gender swap is the ONLY thing that could make them more complicated.
I DEMAND THIS.
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Shiftbraker
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Post by Shiftbraker on Jul 4, 2015 21:47:20 GMT
As long as someone doesn't try to create a Cybertron Shore, not mentioning any names. *Cough*SkySpray*Cough* Otherwise someone might get hurt, again not mentioning any names. *Cough*SkySpray*Cough*
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Shift_TFG
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Post by Shift_TFG on Jul 5, 2015 0:02:28 GMT
I'm kind of agreeing with Rifle and Vaqus's opinions on the matter. The idea, on the surface, sounds too gimmicky (and not in a good way) and somewhat impractical as a "psychological bio-weapon". Excuse my overall light negativity for the next following paragrapghs.
For the too long, didn't read version: I don't support it.
Okay, so the weapon is released on an unsuspecting Cybertronian and they have their respective gender reversed. They will (most likely) feel the personality traits of the other gender take over in their new form (A former female suddenly becomes more courageously suicidal(?) or aggressive (?) in their new opposite form). Now what? How is this going to be going to be beneficial to the overall goals to the Avacons, if any?
Is making them the opposite gender going to make them easily sustainable to manipulation for interrogation? Highly doubt it, unless you want to imply something (in particular) about the opposite gender being considered "weak" for such a thing. This also implies that 'said character's' personality is radically going to change because they're in a new gender, considering that they either remain the same, or go off into stereotype territory. This is particularly why I don't like gender-bender related universe or events (with some few exceptions). They don't change much of the character's status quo other than "(s)he's a boy/girl now, and may even act like it. Maybe (And no, opposite gender counterparts, like She-Hulk or Supergirl for instance, don't count for this gender bending issue. They're usually different and original about it because they're written and feel like different characters.)."
Thus, possible character development will be non-existent (they're the same), minimal at best (I guess they like/hate their opposite gender a little bit more now? Hooray, morals?), or exaggerated (OH MY PRIMUS! THIS SUCKS/ROCKS! I HATE/LUV THIS TRANSFORMATION AND WHATEVER IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. MUHAHAHA, I'LL GET THEM BACK!) for the affected character and their supporting cast. I guess you can argue that some character development (if any) is better than none, but there are other ways of doing this other than having a "in universe poor use of resources, time, and opportunity" bio-weapon.
Oh, but you can hold the cure hostage?! Again, so? Compare to humans, it's much easier and painless for a complete bodily and mental readjustment to revert the affected Cybertronian back to normal. I mean, just ask Gearchange, he's been through it (not the gender thing, just being changed mentally and physically)...three times (counting TFU and TFG)?IDW Arcee is another example of this too. So, what else do they have as weight for this thing?
Is this just the Avacons just trolling both 'Bots and 'Cons, most likely to cause some increased quarrel so that they can kill each other faster while the Avacons just place the finishing blow and take over? Again, kind of weak. Both sides, especially the higher-ups, would quickly catch on that this bio-weapon is too ludicrous and out of character for either side's current M.O to try it that they will find and destroy the source without even powerplaying (unless we're going to demote ourselves to early G1-style writing) . Which is kind counter-productive for the Avacons considering the amount of low non-drone members they most likely have and other criticial disadvantages.
Most importantly, if this thing is suddenly a thing, will anyone ACTUALLY go forth with the idea? Like Vaqus stated before, we come up with some of these site-changing plots or ideas, the community likes it for the most part for a "go", but they never really take off. Honestly, I'm still awaiting for the Summer RP Plot involving the mysterious Oracle to take off. I know we're human and have lives outside of the RP, but it's kind of sad to have such ideas with some potential (even this one to others) to barely be utilized or heard off again.
Sorry for such an essay, but I really can't see the point of this other than having something goofy added into the mix (which is probably the few positives I could make from this). Just my opinion on the matter.
Feel free to response.
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Riptide
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Post by Riptide on Jul 7, 2015 5:01:19 GMT
I'm kinda on the fence about this.
While it'd be fun to rp Riptide as a seductive knock-out (which come on, we all know he'd be) Shift brings up good points. I mean, it probably wouldn't change Rip too much personality wise. He already flirts with the opposite gender on a regular basis. Thing's would be different but the same, if that makes any sense. I don't really see much development for him coming from this.
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Thrasher
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Post by Thrasher on Aug 9, 2015 17:45:00 GMT
Thank you for your feedback, Shift. I apologize for not responding earlier, but between life and not wanting to disgrace your well written post with an awful answer, I took forever. I'm still not satisfied with how I answered you, but am willing to answer or narrow down any questions you may have. Keep in mind that when I said instincts of the other gender would come in, I didn't mean instantly. I meant that although they would wake up with a body in the opposite gender, they would still be 100% their old selves. But the longer they remained like that, the more they would grow to adopt basic traits of that gender psychologically. Say Thrasher woke up as a femme, he'd first off be pretty frustrated that the nanites got him. And would spend his time prepping the undo button. But should he stay that way forever, he'd likely grow used to it, and have a weird story. I also want to use this to add nanites as a basic Avacon tool to alter the alt-modes, appearances, etc of enemies to cause minor confusion or disruption.
Okay, so the weapon is released on an unsuspecting Cybertronian and they have their respective gender reversed. They will (most likely) feel the personality traits of the other gender take over in their new form (A former female suddenly becomes more courageously suicidal(?) or aggressive (?) in their new opposite form). Now what? How is this going to be going to be beneficial to the overall goals to the Avacons, if any?The goals of the Avacons stationed on Earth are to investigate and evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the Autobots and Decepticons, and then disrupt and manipulate things to weaken the factions sufficiently to wipe them out. And no, I'm not implying women are weaker by that. Is making them the opposite gender going to make them easily sustainable to manipulation for interrogation? Highly doubt it, unless you want to imply something (in particular) about the opposite gender being considered "weak" for such a thing. This also implies that 'said character's' personality is radically going to change because they're in a new gender, considering that they either remain the same, or go off into stereotype territory. This is particularly why I don't like gender-bender related universe or events (with some few exceptions). They don't change much of the character's status quo other than "(s)he's a boy/girl now, and may even act like it. Maybe (And no, opposite gender counterparts, like She-Hulk or Supergirl for instance, don't count for this gender bending issue. They're usually different and original about it because they're written and feel like different characters.)."
They will be framing the opposite factions when running these operations. The goal will be to fan flames of conflict and encourage the two to fight and hate each other further.
Thus, possible character development will be non-existent (they're the same), minimal at best (I guess they like/hate their opposite gender a little bit more now? Hooray, morals?), or exaggerated (OH MY PRIMUS! THIS SUCKS/ROCKS! I HATE/LUV THIS TRANSFORMATION AND WHATEVER IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. MUHAHAHA, I'LL GET THEM BACK!) for the affected character and their supporting cast. I guess you can argue that some character development (if any) is better than none, but there are other ways of doing this other than having a "in universe poor use of resources, time, and opportunity" bio-weapon.
It will cause temporary confusion, and leave some members distracted by their changes. I admit it is not the epitome of psychological warfare, but it opens doors to other manipulations via nanites, like changing people into boatformers. Oh, but you can hold the cure hostage?! Again, so? Compare to humans, it's much easier and painless for a complete bodily and mental readjustment to revert the affected Cybertronian back to normal. I mean, just ask Gearchange, he's been through it (not the gender thing, just being changed mentally and physically)...three times (counting TFU and TFG)?IDW Arcee is another example of this too. So, what else do they have as weight for this thing? Do not forget that in most cases, Gearchange was saved by the power of love. And IDW Arcee became a murdering psychopath for a while. Autobots could adjust, or they could reject it and seek out the cure. I am thinking of making it a temporary effect though, rather than needing a cure. Is this just the Avacons just trolling both 'Bots and 'Cons, most likely to cause some increased quarrel so that they can kill each other faster while the Avacons just place the finishing blow and take over? Again, kind of weak. Both sides, especially the higher-ups, would quickly catch on that this bio-weapon is too ludicrous and out of character for either side's current M.O to try it that they will find and destroy the source without even powerplaying (unless we're going to demote ourselves to early G1-style writing) . Which is kind counter-productive for the Avacons considering the amount of low non-drone members they most likely have and other criticial disadvantages. Decepticons are led by Backbeat, and with Avacons able to disguise and sneak around with false identities, tracing it could be problematic. And yes, the Avacons are waiting for the Bots and Cons to kill each other off so they can swoop in and take over. Most importantly, if this thing is suddenly a thing, will anyone ACTUALLY go forth with the idea? Like Vaqus stated before, we come up with some of these site-changing plots or ideas, the community likes it for the most part for a "go", but they never really take off. Honestly, I'm still awaiting for the Summer RP Plot involving the mysterious Oracle to take off. I know we're human and have lives outside of the RP, but it's kind of sad to have such ideas with some potential (even this one to others) to barely be utilized or heard off again. Ideally I want it to become a recurring thing, modifying people with nanites to disrupt their abilities and generally make life harder for the other factions. Sorry for such an essay, but I really can't see the point of this other than having something goofy added into the mix (which is probably the few positives I could make from this). Just my opinion on the matter. Feel free to response.
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