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Post by Krovennan (Quaketread) on Nov 4, 2015 19:49:19 GMT
I should clarify. I'm not blaming the admins, but the situation needs to be improved however you slice it. I have a plot in mind to shake things up, but it hasn't gotten off the ground so far. I'm gonna try bringing more people into the fold, but for it to work, I need co-operation and a bit of effort.
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Post by Whirl on Nov 6, 2015 1:10:19 GMT
Oh yes, NOW people want activity. Now it suits THEM. They never made a peep for months and suddenly it's so important that we have to pretend the board will implode without a full staff rewiring or something.
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Post by TG-GriefAura || TG-Summoner on Nov 6, 2015 2:06:12 GMT
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Post by Whirl on Nov 6, 2015 2:44:56 GMT
I think the most annoying thing in the world must be when somebody else says what I've been saying all along.
Still, one thing I'd like to see is some kind of access to the Skype Chat from here. That would bring more of us together.
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Post by Energon Vlada on Nov 23, 2015 23:10:33 GMT
Jeez, staff is busy Scaryfire, they have their lives too. Feenix is busy with college and work, and I guess most of the staff has the same issue. Maybe you should do your suggestions on holidays? Doing anything at this point won't improve anything, as there won't be an active staff member to approve nor speak about yours or anyone else's ideas, or at least I think so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 6:00:52 GMT
So are you guys proposing a skype group? I think the website UI is a bit of a problem. Idk much about web design but IMO the current site is just too cluttered and confusing as it takes quite a long time to find the right thread due the number of sub-sections etc. To be honest it just feel discouraging. If any of you are good with making websites I would propose making a new site with a cleaner UI similar to that of TFU or at least simplifying the menus etc.
Scaryfire mentioned ignored plots, what we need is 2-3 warzones going on at a time rather than members of the same faction fighting on 30 fronts at a time. Members could pitch ideas and vote for plot but it should be commanders giving orders IC rather than a bunch of lone wolves screwing around. As there would be 3 major warzones, if a person did not like one they could simply join another. These 2-3 warzones are just referring to open battles between Autobots and Decepticons, plotlines within a factions (eg. power plays, rebellions, etc.) are allowed. Prson break-outs of POWs are the only interactions between members of two factions tha should be allowed (if you can think of any please tell).
There should be a outright ban on factions other than Autobots and Decepticons, but internalized sub-factions should be limited as well, to perhaps 2-3 (eg. in the Decepticon faction it would be MAS, Omega Core, and Kaocons, no more).
Ignorance of NPCs was also a mentioned issue. NPCs are the reasons we have field ranks, the recent reform of the Decepticon hierarchy has not helped this issue.
Leadership:
Supreme Commander - Backbeat
Second in Command - Quaketread
The Generals:
Intel and communications - Soundwave
Aerial forces - [x]
Medical - Kick-Start
Ground forces - Death Wish
Law enforcement - Tarn
Engineering - Splashbug
Strategy and Tactics - Shadowstrike
Troops:
Medical staff- Strike, Dr Brain End, Stormcutter, Panacea
Captains-Raiza, Roadrage, Photon, Necro, Blackgate, Meltdown, Nevermore
Soldiers- Stalaken, Feral, Wingslasher, Skyscrapper, Predafreeze, Amp Blaster, Thundercracker, Skywarp,, Crashcourse, Ground Zero, Dracolord, Vendor, Cryomancer, Mire, Revenger, Sub-commander, Illustionist, Slapfoot, Intrepid, Chelmist, Nickel, Orthodox,, Jetlag, Tailspin, Deathgrip Magnia, Rumble and Frenzy, Cackler, Titanna, New Kaon, Catscratch, Driller, Seaquake, Kydro
Forces:
Vehicons: Rank and file Decepticon troops
Vee-Twos: Triple changing cannon fodder.
I quote myself proposing a new system: The reason you need to list number of troops each rank commands is because if you don't there is little difference between a Captain and a Sergeant. Having two ranks is insufficient, because if a captain is wounded during battle there is no one to take his place. In addition there is little reward to being promoted. With six ranks - Commander, Lieutenant Commander, Captain, Sergeant Major, Staff Sergeant, and Sergeant - there won't be such a problem. Notice how the lowest rank is called Sergeant rather than Soldier, this gives even the lowest ranking members at least some power to differentiate them from the common vehicon. Speaking of vehicons it would be a good idea to list our current forces as a way to acknowledge sub-factions' contribution to the Decepticon forces, but also gives rpers a approximation of how any troops they can command.
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As I mentioned NPCs will continue to be either abused or ignored if we do not make it distinct how many NPCs each rank commands. In addition, listing current forces will advise faction leaders on how they can organize major warzones and also acknoledge contributions of sub-faction NPCs.
I would propose a new ranking structure: Lord Commander: Backbeat
Small Council (Line of Succession) Second-in-Command: Black Sun Air Commander: Starscream Chief Communications Officer: Soundwave Minister of Internal Affairs (DJD): Tarn Chief Medical Officer: Kick-Start Head of R&D: Splashbug Chief Energy Management Officer:
Field Ranks Commander: Quaketread Lieutenant Commander: Blackgate, Mire Captain: Chaff, Death Wish, Crashcourse Sergeant Major: Raiza, Wingslasher, Vos, Skyscrapper, Predafreeze, Amp Blaster, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Roadrage Staff Sergeant: Photon, Shadowstrike, Stalaken, Feral Sergeant: Ground Zero, Dracolord, Vendor, Cryomancer
Current Forces (subject to change as more sub-factions are created) 50k Vehicons 800 MAS Shock Troopers 105 Apocalypticons 75 Kaocons
Commander: Commands 10k troops Lieutenant Commander: Commands 5k troops Captain: Commands 2.5k troops Sergeant Major: Commands 500 troops Staff Sergeant: Commands 50 troops Sergeant: Commands 5 troops
To sum up: - new UI and removal of unnecessary threads and menus or website entirely - 2-3 main warzones - no third factions - only 2-3 sub-factions - reform in rank structure that clearly states how many NPCs a RPer is allowed to command.
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Post by Skyspray (Aquahaze) on Dec 9, 2015 6:08:49 GMT
Uhm, mixmaster, maybe start RPing first?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 7:12:32 GMT
I apologize for my inactivity for the past year. I've been meaning to get back into RPing here but "Inactive staff, heavy limits, factions that have no identity or goals, ignorance of NPCs, random banning of elements, silly rules that serve nobody, etc..." have not helped. I want the best for this site which is why I proposed all those ideas above. Besides I've Rped at TFU and here at TFG long enough to know what it's like here. I will be back soon.
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Post by Skyspray (Aquahaze) on Dec 9, 2015 10:42:40 GMT
Actually, I saw you RP here for about maybe two or three weeks. Then you had an argument with Shadow and left. And I can tell you a couple of things.
1. We don't have that many vehicons ot autotroopers. It wouldn't work.
2. You complain about heavy limits but suggest we limit subfactions and other factions too?
3. Ranks are not commanding NPC but other RPers. Every OC is a higher rank than a vehicon/autotrooper and can thusly command them, just not in that large quantities.
4. Warzones. We need players for warzones, and where are they? And that it always has to be a warzone... Tere are humans on earth, you know. Even if we are giant robits, they have a lot of weapons like tanks, nukes etc.
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Post by Thunderwave on Jan 7, 2016 22:50:42 GMT
well my character will never do this.
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Post by Energon Vlada on Jan 9, 2016 18:41:21 GMT
Actually, I saw you RP here for about maybe two or three weeks. Then you had an argument with Shadow and left. And I can tell you a couple of things. 1. We don't have that many vehicons ot autotroopers. It wouldn't work. 2. You complain about heavy limits but suggest we limit subfactions and other factions too? 3. Ranks are not commanding NPC but other RPers. Every OC is a higher rank than a vehicon/autotrooper and can thusly command them, just not in that large quantities. 4. Warzones. We need players for warzones, and where are they? And that it always has to be a warzone... Tere are humans on earth, you know. Even if we are giant robits, they have a lot of weapons like tanks, nukes etc. Hmmm..... How about we put another in-character sub forum, since we only have: 1) Earth 2) High Ground 3) The Nemesis 4) Alternate Universe I mean, where's Cybertron? It's one of the most important locations too, it doesn't deserve to be in Alternate universe, it deserves it's OWN category. I know I'm going off topic now, but this has been bugging me ever since i joined, which was more than 1 year ago.
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Post by Ulti on Jan 9, 2016 23:27:45 GMT
We don't RP on Cybertron because it's a dead wasteland. For more OOC reasons, we don't RP there because everyone is more familiar with places on Earth, rather than a barely fleshed out balled of metal.
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Post by Energon Vlada on Jan 10, 2016 12:01:03 GMT
We don't RP on Cybertron because it's a dead wasteland. For more OOC reasons, we don't RP there because everyone is more familiar with places on Earth, rather than a barely fleshed out balled of metal. Not really, but okay....?
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Post by Avernus on Jan 10, 2016 13:21:13 GMT
Hmmm..... How about we put another in-character sub forum, since we only have: 1) Earth 2) High Ground 3) The Nemesis 4) Alternate Universe I mean, where's Cybertron? It's one of the most important locations too, it doesn't deserve to be in Alternate universe, it deserves it's OWN category. I know I'm going off topic now, but this has been bugging me ever since i joined, which was more than 1 year ago. Cybertron is dead, just like in Fall of Cybertron, Prime, etc... Nobody is there anymore, and it would be too much to have cybertron as another area to RP. Too many locations means people would be spread too thin or ignore most places.
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Post by Whirl on Jan 10, 2016 13:44:30 GMT
Technically we don't RP on Cybertron because this is currently an Earth-based RP.
Sometimes we discuss potential methods of taking it to Cybertron, but the site needs to progress in size first. Prime eventually took it to Cybertron, but they had to restore Cybertron to life first.
Hell, they had to end the war first.
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Post by Energon Vlada on Jan 10, 2016 16:16:28 GMT
Technically we don't RP on Cybertron because this is currently an Earth-based RP. Sometimes we discuss potential methods of taking it to Cybertron, but the site needs to progress in size first. Prime eventually took it to Cybertron, but they had to restore Cybertron to life first. Hell, they had to end the war first. Mkay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 18:51:16 GMT
I know if there are too many failures that need to be fixed, like paces, stats, and some RP dynamics, but I think, why to go further if we dont have a control about our characters? We continue having those issues of lack of loyalty in both factions, everybody wanting to be a superhero, specially when the user forgot the difference between themselves and their characters. Also, in there is a lack of communication with the new users, when they newbies come and need help to be reintroduced, in there is almost zero support until a merciful soul tries to help them. People continue complaining, but seems they haven't tried to change a bit of themselves yet.
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Post by Energon Vlada on Jan 10, 2016 21:44:07 GMT
I know if there are too many failures that need to be fixed, like paces, stats, and some RP dynamics, but I think, why to go further if we dont have a control about our characters? We continue having those issues of lack of loyalty in both factions, everybody wanting to be a superhero, specially when the user forgot the difference between themselves and their characters. Also, in there is a lack of communication with the new users, when they newbies come and need help to be reintroduced, in there is almost zero support until a merciful soul tries to help them. People continue complaining, but seems they haven't tried to change a bit of themselves yet. Make characters that have same personality like the user does? Just sayin'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 23:36:15 GMT
That would be practically making a Mary Sue, or at least, most of it. The problem with Sues is that people use to get them OP and if the character gets offended, the person gets offended too.
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Post by Slackjaw on Jan 11, 2016 0:57:42 GMT
I'm just going to throw in my two cents here because this sounds like the exact thing that happened on another site I used to use.
For two years I roleplayed the anime, Soul Eater, on a forum. The forum thrived for the first year and the site was running smoothly. I was promoted to a Moderator, and I did my part on the site of perfecting the rules and accepting character sheets. However, the site began to fall apart. Three people at most were on a day and it was the same three people it was every day. The admins never showed their faces, so I would get on the chatbox and be flooded with character sheets to go over.
So, I left for about a month. When I got back, I'd been demoted and was no longer a moderator, and there were no admins to be seen. Finally, I messaged one of them and asked them what the hell had happened. Their response was: "We're tired of the immaturity of the staff and the inactivity as well." So, I ranted about the site in a discussion and hurt some feelings. Suddenly, ADMINS EVERYWHERE. Every admin somehow knew my post existed and I was yelled at for doing it. Every admin that didn't show their face for months appeared just so they could tell me I was wrong.
Restrictions had been placed on characters to make it harder to have them accepted. The admins complained that they had work and stuff to do, but didn't bother promoting more people to admin status that were active to hold up the site, so I left. I was done and I don't regret leaving it.
What I will say about this site is that I'm hoping the same thing doesn't happen. My suggestion would be demoting mods and admins that ARENT active and promoting new ones. All I recommend is letting them know first so they don't get pissy when they come back from their absence.
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