The Speed Stat

Kick-Start • Decepticon Posts: 1,006 Likes: 5	Post by Kick-Start on Sept 29, 2015 22:18:43 GMT The thing about the speed stat right now is that not only is it very much of an opinion, but nobody dares have a low speed stat (like you can have a low tech stat or a low endurance) because they're not sure what it means. It exists in an exponential curve, but with technical limits and speed brackets. At the same time, it is possible to modify yourself so that you can go faster than your alt mode would suggest. In its 1-10 form. The points are based on your top standard speed. It is also possible for you to in-universe have had yourself augmented to be a higher speed. But remember if you've knocked a point off, you can always put it somewhere else. 10: If you can beat Mach 1, you classify as a stat 10. Military jets are almost always a stat 10. Mach 1 is technically a speed of 762 mph. 9: 241 - 761 mph. Most other aircraft fit into this bracket. Some Formula-1 cars can hit this speed. Blurr would also be a 9, but he's a special case in canon. 8: 181 - 240 mph. Man, you're fast. Probably a top-end road-legal sports-car, or maybe you've had a few augmentations. 7: 151 - 180 mph. Helicopters can hit this, with the bonus of being an aerial vehicle. 6: 121 - 150 mph. Slightly above average, but still in cars commonly found on roads. 5: 91 - 120 mph. Speed isn't really a priority for you. You scanned a regular family car, and you haven't augmented it in any particular way. 4: 71 - 90 mph. LGV can generally move at this speed. 3: 41 - 70 mph. Many tanks are in this bracket, unless they're augmented somehow. 2: < 41 mph. A real slug, at least by vehicular standards. Something like bicycle speed is your best speed. 1: Your alt mode is completely immobile. They do not actually transform into a vehicle. I'd like opinions on this...
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Mod Doc. • Novice Posts: 30 Likes: 2	Post by Mod Doc. on Sept 29, 2015 22:58:12 GMT I suggest that this simply be used as a guide to help people figure out the speed stat. Not a law-to-the-letter because, as stated, modifications -both to boost speed and lower speed- come into play from character to character. However, a 1 does not necessarily mean you cannot move. I'd say about <15/20mph (usual legal school zone/neighborhood/parking lot speed) is a 1. Basically you may still be able to move (depending on your alt mode), but a fit human could out-pace you on a bike (the typical fastest speed for a racing bike is about 25 mph, the average bike speed is about 10 mph). If this is something that most people like, guides could be made for all the stats.
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Skyspray (Aquahaze) • Who put that grenade there? I'm the community guy! Administrator Posts: 3,119 Likes: 28 Gender: Male	Post by Skyspray (Aquahaze) on Sept 30, 2015 4:33:51 GMT Not that many and hard regulations are needed. 10 is jet only. 9 is jet only, except in rare cases where you are velocitronian. 8 are the fastest cars etc. The speed limit stuff is not necessary and will have the opposite effect imo. Too complicated. It's easier to say: Jets: 9-10 Cars: 4-8 Tanks: 3-1 Copters: 6-8 Etc. More limiting than that isn't called for. You often have an idea of how fast your Alt is.
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Deleted • Posts: 0 Likes:	Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 14:44:17 GMT I see everybody talks about vehicles, but we have to remember in there are some non vehicle altmodes too like insecticon and predacons. I would add between the range of 8-6 the aerial predacon/insecticon modes and the non flying nose at the range of 5 or lower. IDK, I use to screw up with miles since I always used Kms.

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Kick-Start • Decepticon Posts: 1,006 Likes: 5	Post by Kick-Start on Sept 30, 2015 17:40:00 GMT Sky, you're only basing your numbers on the known facts I looked up - like, how fast can an X go. You're basically agreeing that my numbers and the examples I've given are accurate.
	"I am not a monster. Nor am I a god. I do not seek to create life. I do not wish to cause death. My goal, my life's purpose is to pinpoint the elusive border between life and death. Which one is the final pulse of the Spark? When does Energon begin to stagnate? When does the brain cease to gather data? There is a line. I will find that line, I will open that door, and when I do, IT WILL NEVER CLOSE!!!!!" - Kick-Start Theme Song: "Self-Esteem" - Offspring
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Skyspray (Aquahaze) • Who put that grenade there? I'm the community guy! Administrator Posts: 3,119 Likes: 28 Gender: Male	Post by Skyspray (Aquahaze) on Sept 30, 2015 20:45:02 GMT Guess what? Those numbers existed before you did the chart too actually. I've always enforced it. So that's nothing new for me personally.
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Kick-Start • Decepticon Posts: 1,006 Likes: 5	Post by Kick-Start on Oct 1, 2015 0:44:44 GMT I just think there should be more awareness.
	"I am not a monster. Nor am I a god. I do not seek to create life. I do not wish to cause death. My goal, my life's purpose is to pinpoint the elusive border between life and death. Which one is the final pulse of the Spark? When does Energon begin to stagnate? When does the brain cease to gather data? There is a line. I will find that line, I will open that door, and when I do, IT WILL NEVER CLOSE!!!!!" - Kick-Start Theme Song: "Self-Esteem" - Offspring
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TG-GriefAura \|\| TG-Summoner • Autobot Posts: 170 Likes: 4 Gender: Male	Post by TG-GriefAura \|\| TG-Summoner on Oct 1, 2015 1:19:31 GMT Whoa, whoa. You're both in the right here. Sky, while I know, and most of the staff knows, that you've always implemented and used the numbers (or at least the idea of numbers that Kick-Start's making in this thread) in reviewing character apps, that's not exactly public information. It's not stated anywhere here on the forums- not even on the bio templates themselves, so Kick-Start, I would say, is in the right insomuch as that the information she's suggesting here hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere on the forums. It could be considered yet another "secret" aspect of the forums. Therefore, I wholeheartedly support Kick-Start's suggestion. I think that the guidelines she's stated here should be written somewhere (preferably on the templates themselves, under the individual speed stats) here on the site for the user's benefit, instead of only the staff's benefit. This idea, as well, would benefit in regard to staff transparency.

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Mod Doc. • Novice Posts: 30 Likes: 2	Post by Mod Doc. on Oct 1, 2015 1:47:13 GMT I think we're all arguing the same thing here.... However, I agree with Sky in that specific borders for speeds -and other stats- get a little off-putting. A guide that is simple and easy to understand would be more helpful than playing a numbers game (try putting a specific speed on a non-vehicle mobile alt-mode). I personally see more than enough of the numbers game in tabletop and LARPs and it actually get's really discouraging very quickly. But so ya'll know, yes, a public guide is in the works for stats. They will cover all alts, including insecticons and predacons.
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Kick-Start • Decepticon Posts: 1,006 Likes: 5	Post by Kick-Start on Oct 1, 2015 12:23:56 GMT Maybe put it in Character Creation help, along with Body Parts. If you're already wrong, you don't actually have to change your current app. Therefore there doesn't have to be an overlap because it's purely optional and just a guide to people who aren't sure.
	"I am not a monster. Nor am I a god. I do not seek to create life. I do not wish to cause death. My goal, my life's purpose is to pinpoint the elusive border between life and death. Which one is the final pulse of the Spark? When does Energon begin to stagnate? When does the brain cease to gather data? There is a line. I will find that line, I will open that door, and when I do, IT WILL NEVER CLOSE!!!!!" - Kick-Start Theme Song: "Self-Esteem" - Offspring
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