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Post by TG-GriefAura || TG-Summoner on Sept 19, 2015 20:41:04 GMT
Hello TFG RPers! A new mentor system has been activated on the forums for the benefit of staff and user alike. You can read the link below if you'd like to read how this new system works, and perhaps be a part of it.
Updated Mentor System
Please note that only a handful of users on the site will be allowed to mentor. These members are, namely: Feenixfire Lockheart, Gearchange, CallMeAst♥, Mod Doc., Shadowstrike, Skyspray (Aquahaze) (so long as the staff member has RP experience of more than three years) (and whatever other staff members I've either missed or intentionally left out)
Feel free to discuss how you feel about the new mentor system below! Leave suggestions or proposals for ways you think we could improve this system, and even whether or not you'd personally willing to participate. If you think you could use some help improving your own RP, please, by all means, comment and let staff know, otherwise tell a staff member in private and the appropriate action will be taken to accommodate your needs.
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Post by Plexo on Sept 19, 2015 23:01:28 GMT
Well, I for one find this to be a good idea. But there are parts I think that could come in handy, because of what I've heard from a few moderators and admins--most of you more experienced rpers have more RL stuff to deal with, and as you get older, as I'm sure we all know, you get less and less free time. That free time is divided into what the person desires, for instance should a mentor come back from a hard day of work, they might find themselves irritated with the tiny chore within their free time. I'm sure you've discusses like-things before, but this is my suggestion: have a substitute teacher ready.
This substitute could be the crutch of the teacher, as substitutes are sometimes, and this substitute could also act as a second witness to power abuse or disrespect, and incase things get emotional said substitute could bear witness to what really happened. Mainly, the substitute would perhaps also be there to point out a few extra things, or carry on lessons that the teacher may other wise be disinclined to take up themselves, or are simply too occupied. These substitutes would perhaps be either of the same rp experience or of slightly lower, but would be able to teach nonetheless. There are other experienced rpers such as Thrasher, Shift TFG, Sparkflare, and Ulti. This substitute would be asked, and then be able to take place of the teacher occasionally, as aforementioned, and also perhaps learn a few tricks themselves if they are younger. They would not necessarily require a lesson--but there still would be the possibility of them learning tips that the admins and mods are sharing to their student.
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Post by Lord Death Wish on Sept 21, 2015 17:56:14 GMT
I don't like the three year rule, basically that means anyone who started in TFU would not be allowed to be a mentor. I personally like 2 years, it doesn't exclude people who started a little after 2012 and allows people with loads of TFG rp experience to help out.
Because I think we all agree this place is quite a bit different than other rp groups.
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Post by TG-GriefAura || TG-Summoner on Sept 21, 2015 22:53:48 GMT
Well, I for one find this to be a good idea. But there are parts I think that could come in handy, because of what I've heard from a few moderators and admins--most of you more experienced rpers have more RL stuff to deal with, and as you get older, as I'm sure we all know, you get less and less free time. That free time is divided into what the person desires, for instance should a mentor come back from a hard day of work, they might find themselves irritated with the tiny chore within their free time. I'm sure you've discusses like-things before, but this is my suggestion: have a substitute teacher ready. This substitute could be the crutch of the teacher, as substitutes are sometimes, and this substitute could also act as a second witness to power abuse or disrespect, and incase things get emotional said substitute could bear witness to what really happened. Mainly, the substitute would perhaps also be there to point out a few extra things, or carry on lessons that the teacher may other wise be disinclined to take up themselves, or are simply too occupied. These substitutes would perhaps be either of the same rp experience or of slightly lower, but would be able to teach nonetheless. There are other experienced rpers such as Thrasher, Shift TFG, Sparkflare, and Ulti. This substitute would be asked, and then be able to take place of the teacher occasionally, as aforementioned, and also perhaps learn a few tricks themselves if they are younger. They would not necessarily require a lesson--but there still would be the possibility of them learning tips that the admins and mods are sharing to their student. The idea of having substitute "teachers" is an interesting one, I'll admit, but I cannot agree with your line of reasoning as to why. By saying that mentors might not be qualified to mentor their students at the end of a long, hard day of work simply because they don't have the patience for it is a rather risky argument; after all, if that could be said of mentors and mentoring, then couldn't the same argument be made of the staff itself, and their job of moderating the forums? I'll look into the matter further upon your request, and definitely bring it up in discussion with the rest of the staff, but I highly doubt that we'll be adding substitute teachers into the mentor system at least until we've had a chance to test out its current arrangement and have been able to examine how successful it really is.I don't like the three year rule, basically that means anyone who started in TFU would not be allowed to be a mentor. I personally like 2 years, it doesn't exclude people who started a little after 2012 and allows people with loads of TFG rp experience to help out. Because I think we all agree this place is quite a bit different than other rp groups. That's not a good idea at all, Bruise. The whole reason we have a mentor system here implemented onto the forums is so that experienced roleplayers can counsel inexperienced roleplayers. If you look back at every member of TFU who had never RPed before, I guarantee you their RP- even now- is nothing like what other, more experienced RPers who have been active even before TFU's existence are capable of writing. It's meant to exclude less experienced roleplayers (more than three years of experience specifically so that first-time RPers from TFU aren't allowed to mentor), who don't quite know the ropes yet, aren't going to get themselves into trouble by accidentally giving novice advice.
Thank you for expressing your concern, but that is not changing.
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Post by Doctor Rundred on Sept 22, 2015 16:54:52 GMT
Do you know how long two years is, that's a long time, and to exclude most of the community I think isn't smart. I also worry when December rolls around and all the people in 2012 can be mentors yet someone who came in the spring of 2013 cannot And note, if you're still making the same mistakes consistently after two years, you might need a mentor yourself But this is all pretty much a nitpick, I think all in all this is a good idea. I don't even think there will be really any issues, sometime I just like to play devils advocate and express all possibilities of issues I can't be all negative, I gotta give credit where credit is due.
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Post by CallMeAst♥ on Sept 23, 2015 11:03:11 GMT
Doctor Rundred
Do you know how long four years is?
Look, the reason these guidelines were established was to ensure that novice, or inexperienced RPers could become RPers. I started on TFU as well, but in january of 2012 (or febuary, somewhere around there.. IDK) and the thing is- mistakes and screw ups we make tend to be on a higher level, or just dumb luck.
Not to be rude, but I don't think Grief has intentions of changing anything.
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Post by Doctor Rundred on Sept 23, 2015 17:50:25 GMT
Again I will say the plan overall is very good, and points are nitpicks and just something to keep in mind.
I will also say that what you say about Grief is true, he isn't going to change a single thing.
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Post by Plexo on Sept 24, 2015 12:36:15 GMT
Very well. Not necessarily an argument--more like a suggestion. Something off the top of my head, and I thought I'd spout about it. Thank you for listening.
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Post by TG-GriefAura || TG-Summoner on Sept 25, 2015 21:20:50 GMT
Plexo My apologies; one of the secondary definitions of "argument" is " a : a reason given in proof or rebuttal b : discourse intended to persuade I'm sorry if my vocabulary usage confused you a little bit. c': I'll keep you updated if anything comes from your suggestion.
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Post by Doctor Rundred on Sept 26, 2015 20:46:23 GMT
Very well. Not necessarily an argument--more like a suggestion. Something off the top of my head, and I thought I'd spout about it. Thank you for listening. In some ways I would say an argument could be made for the staff as well. I don't know if it necessarily makes sense, but I have seen where staff let's emotion get in the way, after all they are only human. Frustration is probably the most powerful of these, especially during character creation and I've seen it snowball. So yh, I think what Plexo said does have some merit especially for teachers where frustration can be at peak.
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Post by TG-GriefAura || TG-Summoner on Sept 26, 2015 20:57:44 GMT
Doctor Rundred Yes, thank you so much for emphasizing exactly what I'd already said. I really appreciate the emphasis you've placed on the matter. <': However, my response to you remains the same as it does to Plexo. We'll test the new system, and if it's judged that this is, in fact, an issue, then we'll consider the possibility of using substitutes. Thank you.
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Post by Doctor Rundred on Sept 26, 2015 21:16:20 GMT
No problem Grief, I just like throwing my two cents in. In fact, I really didn't need a response, but it is nice to see an admin monitor stuff as much as you do TG-GriefAura || TG-Summoner
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Post by Skyspray (Aquahaze) on Sept 27, 2015 5:33:45 GMT
Correction, Moderator. Not Admin. And if someone is keeping up with stuff, that would be me. I have no life so i spend 80-90% of my time here, watching and checking. I just don't see the point in posting as much if there isn't a big issue.
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Post by TG-GriefAura || TG-Summoner on Sept 27, 2015 6:15:00 GMT
Correction, Moderator. Not Admin. And if someone is keeping up with stuff, that would be me. I have no life so i spend 80-90% of my time here, watching and checking. I just don't see the point in posting as much if there isn't a big issue. Thanks for undercuttin' me, Sky. ;'P I was gonna correct him myself, but didn't really have the time today to go browsing the forums all willy-nilly- it wasn't a busy enough of a day around here for me to really pay attention to things. Though, I will say that it's kinda rude to go tootin' your own horn like that, bud. XD Givin' yourself a huuuge pat on the back there dude, and really throwin' me under the bus while you're doin' it, don't'ya think?
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Post by Skyspray (Aquahaze) on Sept 27, 2015 6:42:41 GMT
Correction, Moderator. Not Admin. And if someone is keeping up with stuff, that would be me. I have no life so i spend 80-90% of my time here, watching and checking. I just don't see the point in posting as much if there isn't a big issue. Thanks for undercuttin' me, Sky. ;'P I was gonna correct him myself, but didn't really have the time today to go browsing the forums all willy-nilly- it wasn't a busy enough of a day around here for me to really pay attention to things. Though, I will say that it's kinda rude to go tootin' your own horn like that, bud. XD Givin' yourself a huuuge pat on the back there dude, and really throwin' me under the bus while you're doin' it, don't'ya think? Pfft. Toot toot. Of course, but when you become a big boy too, you'll understand. And i would say that it was a small pat on the shoulder and throwing you under a train. XD Keep working now, buddy.
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Post by TG-GriefAura || TG-Summoner on Sept 27, 2015 6:53:00 GMT
Skyspray (Aquahaze) Pfft. I never stopped workin'. :T It's just the rest of the admins I'm waiting on, tryin' to get this blasted app process approved. Youknowthestruggle. (For future reference, I prefer buses. ._.; )
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Post by Bruiser Maximus on Sept 27, 2015 17:55:54 GMT
Correction, Moderator. Not Admin. And if someone is keeping up with stuff, that would be me. I have no life so i spend 80-90% of my time here, watching and checking. I just don't see the point in posting as much if there isn't a big issue. Thanks for undercuttin' me, Sky. ;'P I was gonna correct him myself, but didn't really have the time today to go browsing the forums all willy-nilly- it wasn't a busy enough of a day around here for me to really pay attention to things. Though, I will say that it's kinda rude to go tootin' your own horn like that, bud. XD Givin' yourself a huuuge pat on the back there dude, and really throwin' me under the bus while you're doin' it, don't'ya think? Girls, girls, you're both pretty now can we stop this. Seriously, did either of you guys need to correct me, seriously does it really matter whether I said admin or mod, it's not that big a deal. And I will say, the reason I made the comment is because good ole' Grief seems to find my posts and then comment on them no matter how insignificant they may be. I think he just enjoys talking to me I think.
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Post by Mod Doc. on Sept 29, 2015 16:01:56 GMT
I think Grief and Death Wish both enjoy talking with each other seeing as how you both seem to find each others posts and comment on them, regardless if it needs a comment or not. Either way, I personally think what Plexo suggested could be a good idea to implement. Particularly in the case of if a mentor cannot get on the forums for a good length of time due to RL taking over or a long trip. It would be a simple enough matter to explain to said substitute what it being worked on at the time, and any other matters that need to be worked on with a particular RPer. And it would be better than simply letting the RPer's lessons fall to the wayside. Another way this may work is from mentor to mentor. Some may want to do it all themselves, others -myself included- may want a secondary to help. I may be an experienced RPer, but I will fully admit that don't know everything when it comes to forum-based RP (I have a lot more table-top and LARP experience). And I sometimes make mistakes - I'm human, after all. That, and my style of RPing may be different from what others are used to. It could be helpful to the person I'm working with if they see how different styles work to hopefully find a good one they can grow into. This isn't to say that experienced RPers who aren't directly involved can't still contribute to the lessons. After all, the best way to learn is to try and do, and RPing with experienced RPers will ultimately help in this regard. And if someone sees something that needs correcting, say something. If they don't feel comfortable contacting the RPer directly about it, they can message staff.
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Post by TG-GriefAura || TG-Summoner on Sept 29, 2015 22:46:32 GMT
I think Grief and Death Wish both enjoy talking with each other seeing as how you both seem to find each others posts and comment on them, regardless if it needs a comment or not. :P Either way, I personally think what Plexo suggested could be a good idea to implement. Particularly in the case of if a mentor cannot get on the forums for a good length of time due to RL taking over or a long trip. It would be a simple enough matter to explain to said substitute what it being worked on at the time, and any other matters that need to be worked on with a particular RPer. And it would be better than simply letting the RPer's lessons fall to the wayside. Another way this may work is from mentor to mentor. Some may want to do it all themselves, others -myself included- may want a secondary to help. I may be an experienced RPer, but I will fully admit that don't know everything when it comes to forum-based RP (I have a lot more table-top and LARP experience). And I sometimes make mistakes - I'm human, after all. That, and my style of RPing may be different from what others are used to. It could be helpful to the person I'm working with if they see how different styles work to hopefully find a good one they can grow into. This isn't to say that experienced RPers who aren't directly involved can't still contribute to the lessons. After all, the best way to learn is to try and do, and RPing with experienced RPers will ultimately help in this regard. And if someone sees something that needs correcting, say something. If they don't feel comfortable contacting the RPer directly about it, they can message staff. Very well; if you believe it's a good idea, then perhaps we can have a trial run in you. What I propose is that we run both suggested forms of mentoring- one with a substitute (by you), and one without (by me)- and if one proves to have superior results to the other, then that method can be permanently implemented. Would you consent to this arrangement? And if so, then who would you recommend be your substitute- another staff member, or an ordinary TFG RPer (as it does seem that experienced RPers are somewhat lacking among the staff)?
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Post by Plexo on Sept 30, 2015 4:07:10 GMT
Thank you Mod Doc. for the support, and thank you too Kaocon Death WishPardon my absence from this conversation, for a little while I felt like I would have nothing else to contribute to a post except 'fine' and I also wanted to see if the comments by Grief and Death would go--no offense to you two, but You both do have a habit of putting up interesting 'suggestions'. No seriously. I like to see what you two come up with. Welp, looks like this isn't becoming my business. If you agree with Grief's terms Mod Doc, good luck in your endeavors--you too Grief. At least this thing is a competition on something constructive.
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